Title: Movies
nic - September 25, 2008 09:12 PM (GMT)
Should there be a whole series of movies or just one movie with the whole series combined
DannyF52 - September 28, 2008 11:57 AM (GMT)
Saint Kane - November 19, 2008 06:53 AM (GMT)
Well. You definitely couldn't fit 10 books and 10 territories with their conflicts into one movie.
It would be 5 at the least.
saint dane ate my family - February 9, 2009 09:13 PM (GMT)
i agree you would need at least six or seven or else major stuff would get cut out.
but the ten books are supposed to happen over the course of four years. i mean look what happened to HP. You couldn't have a 25 year old playing 17 year old bobby
Saint Kane - March 21, 2009 07:28 AM (GMT)
I'll say this probably countless times, but....
The best bet would be to model it after the only truly successful book adaptation.
Lord of the Rings.
You film all films consecutively. (in this case, allow time for the cast to age)
By the time Fellowship was released, they were nearly finished with post-production on Return of the King.
Harry Potter didn't get the same great deal from Warner Bros I guess. Plus, they've switched directors and crew a few times. Lots of issues.
HP has been a half-success in my opinion. Some things about the movies are good.
But they completely butcher the storylines and add extraneous details.
sjk - March 21, 2009 10:37 PM (GMT)
If they film 10 movies, then they should film them all at once, like Saint Kane said just now. That way, hopefully, the actors will age to match the characters in the books.
Saint Kane - March 28, 2009 07:13 AM (GMT)
Yes. And since Bobby probably ages 4 years during the entire thing... there won't be a huge rush. Film it over the course of 4 years. Film the first 3 over the course of 1 year while the actors are still 14.
When Bobby returns from Veelox briefly they notice that he looks different. (book 4)
That will also give the producers etc. time to judge the success and throw more money toward the other 7 movies.
So it would make sense to film them quickly.
The key with a lot of this would be for D.J. and his other scriptwriters, collaborators, etc. to give a convincing pitch to the production companies.
The successes of LOTR, HP and Eragon as books are what got the producers to invest in the first place.
sjk - March 28, 2009 11:23 PM (GMT)
Yeah...they'd need to convince them. Getting the movie published is probably the hardest part. It took FOREVER for J.K. Rowling to get Harry Potter published, and then it didn't become a megahit until it came to the United States. Maybe if D.J. shows them a REALLY good trailer with a ton of actions scenes and stuff. Make it really dramatic.
Saint Danez Acolyte - March 29, 2009 03:47 PM (GMT)
Ya, that makes sense. We need to make sure the person playing Gunny doesn't die over 4 years. Also, we shouldn't make changes unless it is obviously necessary. Most movies make large changes that sometimes ruin movies. It will be difficult to film 3 movies in one year.
I don't want it to end how "Harry Potter" did where he is now far to old to play Harry.
It will be hard for the books not to impress the production companies and if necessary, we could show how many devoted fans want to see movies being made. It will be very convincing.
Saint Danez Acolyte - March 29, 2009 03:50 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saint Kane @ Nov 18 2008, 11:53 PM) |
Well. You definitely couldn't fit 10 books and 10 territories with their conflicts into one movie. It would be 5 at the least. |
Most of the movies end in the same way of Bobby winning. Only book 3 and book 4 can be put together and still be exciting. Also, i would like to point out the difficulty of making the graphics.
Saint Kane - June 22, 2009 01:21 AM (GMT)
Hollywood has done a lot. The graphics aren't something to fret about. They're just expensive.
The trick is not in trailers. It starts with a script. A solid, sellable script and a "
pitch".
That is part of our purpose here. To get something that we can ultimately 'pitch' to D.J., hopefully inspiring him to pitch to the studios.
Saint Danez Acolyte - June 28, 2009 01:17 AM (GMT)
:D. The problem is if we don't get D.J. to do something.
Saint Kane - June 28, 2009 06:04 AM (GMT)
Nah. The problem really is if it isn't done right.
If our ultimate product here matches D.J.'s idea of what his "baby" would look like on-screen, we could score some serious points and convince him to throw it into action.
giftedkid527 - July 9, 2009 05:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saint Kane @ Mar 21 2009, 12:28 AM) |
I'll say this probably countless times, but.... The best bet would be to model it after the only truly successful book adaptation. Lord of the Rings.
You film all films consecutively. (in this case, allow time for the cast to age) By the time Fellowship was released, they were nearly finished with post-production on Return of the King.
Harry Potter didn't get the same great deal from Warner Bros I guess. Plus, they've switched directors and crew a few times. Lots of issues. HP has been a half-success in my opinion. Some things about the movies are good. But they completely butcher the storylines and add extraneous details. |
The cast really would only need to age around 3 years, which would happen with the film-timing anyway...
Saint Kane - July 15, 2009 05:23 AM (GMT)
RYSTAR* 18 - July 19, 2009 12:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (DannyF52 @ Sep 28 2008, 04:57 AM) |
| 10 movies. period |
I agree.Each movie has something very important for viewers to know about Halla.There has to be ten battles for each territory too.Like the books say,each territory is special and has its own certain destiny.
austin10123 - July 19, 2009 04:49 AM (GMT)
I really admire how you made this forum in representation for all of the pendragon fans who want a movie. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but we you wanted to make 6 or 7 or even possibly 10 movies, the first movie would have to be a HIT. If the first movie didnt make enough money, we would be screwed. We wouldnt want the first movie to be like every other movie that comes out based on books. It would have to be seriously awesome and unique. Special Effects? Dude, that would be a sh*tload of money. We would drastically need help from dj and a lot of other people to have enough money to do this. I think a good start for making this kind of movie is exactly what you have already done. Making a forum. We've gotta spread the word man. If dj got involved with this it would be awesome. I think that since dj was the one that made this whole series that we discuss so much, he would be the best person to determine who would play who (actor wise). When he created the series, he must've had an image for what the characters looked like. You know that description you did for bobby? That was perfect. You should do it for more characters once we get this forum going. That will help decide the actors. But we cant be too picky. When i say "we" im talking about all the pendragon fans and everyone else that would be involved in this. I have a lot of ideas, but first we got to spread the word. The signatures are good. Later
Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him - July 25, 2009 07:27 PM (GMT)
I'm new here, and from the TPA boards.
This is going to take a lot of work. I totally agree with Austin.
I've got a few idea's and I think I might post a new topic...
BTW I'm totaly excited for this forum and hope it goes well.. XD ;)
RYSTAR*18 - July 26, 2009 10:06 PM (GMT)
i have a question.how are we going to get the movies going?
Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him - July 27, 2009 05:01 PM (GMT)
Well I think all we do here is brainstorm. once we think we've got good enough stuff to start a movie, we let Dj know, and if he wants to make a movie, then he's gonna be the one to say 'okay yah we're doing this'.
If Dj even makes a movie, he might not use our ideas. but we're here to get stuff going, to brainstorm, then to tell Dj what we've come up with. the rest is up to him.
RYSTAR*18 - July 27, 2009 05:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him @ Jul 27 2009, 10:01 AM) |
Well I think all we do here is brainstorm. once we think we've got good enough stuff to start a movie, we let Dj know, and if he wants to make a movie, then he's gonna be the one to say 'okay yah we're doing this'.
If Dj even makes a movie, he might not use our ideas. but we're here to get stuff going, to brainstorm, then to tell Dj what we've come up with. the rest is up to him. |
seems like a really good idea.i am glad to be a part of it.
Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him - July 27, 2009 07:12 PM (GMT)
Yah me too. I like the fact that we're all making suggestions and all of them are being taken sereously.
Saint Kane - July 27, 2009 08:53 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him @ Jul 27 2009, 05:01 PM) |
Well I think all we do here is brainstorm. once we think we've got good enough stuff to start a movie, we let Dj know, and if he wants to make a movie, then he's gonna be the one to say 'okay yah we're doing this'.
If Dj even makes a movie, he might not use our ideas. but we're here to get stuff going, to brainstorm, then to tell Dj what we've come up with. the rest is up to him. |
That's the idea.
And the first movie isn't too loaded with special effects. It will have some, but apart from the flumes looking good, it won't be too much of a hassle.
RYSTAR*18 - July 29, 2009 05:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saint Kane @ Jul 27 2009, 01:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him @ Jul 27 2009, 05:01 PM) | Well I think all we do here is brainstorm. once we think we've got good enough stuff to start a movie, we let Dj know, and if he wants to make a movie, then he's gonna be the one to say 'okay yah we're doing this'.
If Dj even makes a movie, he might not use our ideas. but we're here to get stuff going, to brainstorm, then to tell Dj what we've come up with. the rest is up to him. |
That's the idea.
And the first movie isn't too loaded with special effects. It will have some, but apart from the flumes looking good, it won't be too much of a hassle.
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we have to have the explosion in the tunnel in end though.its important and brings alot of excitement to the viewers.
flumehunter - August 21, 2009 06:53 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (saint dane ate my family @ Feb 9 2009, 02:13 PM) |
i agree you would need at least six or seven or else major stuff would get cut out.
but the ten books are supposed to happen over the course of four years. i mean look what happened to HP. You couldn't have a 25 year old playing 17 year old bobby |
It's possible to have a 25 yr old to play a role of a teenager. They would have to use make up to match their character'sd age. They messed up HP.
BlackMarkDimond - August 22, 2009 01:41 AM (GMT)
Hey i know that im new and all, but i think there should make 2 books per movie. That way you dont have to wait ten years to finish the series.
RYSTAR*18 - August 22, 2009 03:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackMarkDimond @ Aug 21 2009, 06:41 PM) |
| Hey i know that im new and all, but i think there should make 2 books per movie. That way you dont have to wait ten years to finish the series. |
sorry to bum you out,but that wouldn't work out.it wouldn't make sense in so many ways.
Helios-Maximus - August 22, 2009 02:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackMarkDimond @ Aug 21 2009, 06:41 PM) |
| Hey i know that im new and all, but i think there should make 2 books per movie. That way you dont have to wait ten years to finish the series. |
To give a couple of examples why that won't work. One, there is a lot of material in each book. Each one deserves an entire movie to do it justice. If one combined two books into one, the pacing would be rushed, and things would be cut out that deserve to be in. Two, the whole theme of the books is not mixing territories. I know it may sound stupid, but it would hurt that message to be combining the books. I know someone is going to say to that. "Well the plot is about Saint Dane combining the territories." Well while that may be true, each book has it's own unique feel and style to it. Denduron deserves a medieval war feel, Cloral deserves a sci-fi feel, First Earth is more of a period mystery, Veelox (especially within Lifelight) should have the feel of a dream, or a vision, something completely out of this world, Eelong should feel a bit like a survival film -- kinda like Jurrassic Park or King Kong in a way, etc.
Helios-Maximus - August 22, 2009 02:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (RYSTAR*18 @ Jul 29 2009, 10:57 AM) |
| QUOTE (Saint Kane @ Jul 27 2009, 01:53 PM) | | QUOTE (Mawsk.Drummer.4.Him @ Jul 27 2009, 05:01 PM) | Well I think all we do here is brainstorm. once we think we've got good enough stuff to start a movie, we let Dj know, and if he wants to make a movie, then he's gonna be the one to say 'okay yah we're doing this'.
If Dj even makes a movie, he might not use our ideas. but we're here to get stuff going, to brainstorm, then to tell Dj what we've come up with. the rest is up to him. |
That's the idea.
And the first movie isn't too loaded with special effects. It will have some, but apart from the flumes looking good, it won't be too much of a hassle.
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we have to have the explosion in the tunnel in end though.its important and brings alot of excitement to the viewers.
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This is more to the person you were talking to, but one should know. What makes an effects movie expensive are the special effects that we DON'T notice. Like all the Matte paintings and miniatures, all the costs of blending those with the shots of actors.
For example, when Golden Compass won the Oscar for best special effects, I was surprised. Then I learned that almost all the environments and almost all the animals you see were computer generated (all of the daemons, all the bears, etc).
Helios-Maximus - August 22, 2009 02:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saint Kane @ Mar 28 2009, 12:13 AM) |
Yes. And since Bobby probably ages 4 years during the entire thing... there won't be a huge rush. Film it over the course of 4 years. Film the first 3 over the course of 1 year while the actors are still 14. When Bobby returns from Veelox briefly they notice that he looks different. (book 4)
That will also give the producers etc. time to judge the success and throw more money toward the other 7 movies.
So it would make sense to film them quickly. The key with a lot of this would be for D.J. and his other scriptwriters, collaborators, etc. to give a convincing pitch to the production companies. The successes of LOTR, HP and Eragon as books are what got the producers to invest in the first place. |
There is a problem with this, no company is going to fund the filming of ten movies, without seeing the profit it can generate. That is just how they are. I think we should start with Bobby being 13 (in real life I mean) all the other actors are there ages in relation. But they should be able to pass for the ages they are supposed to be.
You start writing the first four. As soon as you finish one, you start filming it. Then go into post production and release. When the company sees money coming out of it, they will fund the rest. So then you could start filming the next 3 (or six if they are enthusiastic).
As much as the plot will suffer for it, we have to keep in mind there are people who will be in it for the money, not the movies.
BlackMarkDimond - August 23, 2009 07:24 AM (GMT)
Now that i truly think about it, my idea would cut out a lot of stuff from the books.
RYSTAR*18 - August 26, 2009 04:10 PM (GMT)
it would also make the story confusing to the veiwers.
BlackMarkDimond - August 27, 2009 12:53 AM (GMT)
RYSTAR*18 - October 21, 2009 11:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackMarkDimond @ Aug 26 2009, 05:53 PM) |
| Yeah |
i dont mean to be rude just so you know.
The Z - July 27, 2010 03:48 PM (GMT)
If there's any trouble, the editors can use computer editng to make people look older or younger. It's what they're doing for Harry Potter 7 at the end to make Daniel, Rupert and evryone else look older. Though it would be hard for the whole movie.